Ask HN: Where can I find remote or quality oriented freelancing work?
58 s1k3s 5 hrs 20
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20971098
I'm currently working 40h/week as a backend php developer and I think I can put an extra 20 hours every week to increase my earnings. However, I struggle finding remote work or above the average freelancing projects. Basically I don't want to waste my time on sites like freelancer.com where I have to compete against many low-quality programmers who place low bids just to win projects and then they mess them up.
Where could I find jobs like these?
ArtofSaf 26 mins
Here's something you can do:
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Go to https://trends.builtwith.com/websitelist/PHP to see websites that use PHP
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Focus on smaller to mid-size companies (large corporations likely have the tech team and contractors to cover almost of their needs)
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(Optional) Search for each company on Linkedin and add managers with relevant roles (VIP of sales, project manager, marketing manager, etc.). The goal is to familiarize them with your name so they're more likely to open your email (step 5).
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Find the email format of these companies with https://hunter.io/.
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Reach out to the most senior person with a relevant role at each company with a personalized 1-on-1 email.
The key here is to review their website and business and share 2-3 ideas of what you can them build or fix (if there are any glaring issues or vulnerabilities). They may not necessarily use your ideas but the goal is stand out and help them understand how they can put your programming skills to use. Here's a template you can reference: https://artofemails.com/new-clients#developer
There are a lot of businesses out there whose teams don't have the capacity to build everything so they would be keen to have a reliable freelance programmer help them bring some features or projects out of backlog.
yakshaving_jgt 1 hr
This is maybe going to be an unpopular suggestion, but I think certain technologies are going to more commonly be associated with race-to-the-bottom markets, and I think PHP is one of those. It might make sense in investing in studying some more niche and higher-barrier-to-entry languages.
akor 45 mins
What languages do you suggest? Does Javascript have the same association with "race-to-the-bottom markets"? Having used Symfony and Laravel I don't understand why PHP has such a bad rep except that it's on the easier side so any language that makes things simple would suffer the same fate (attracting inexperienced developers (hello Javascript, Ruby, Python)). Both PHP and Javascript have many language specific issues so I'd say they're on equal footing.
starvingbear 13 mins
I think PHP is still good. It definitely seems lower in priority for most companies remote or local than it used to be by far but it isn't going away or anything. Niche languages depend on a lot of factors. And debatable on what is still niche but I think Elixir, Scala, Go and Rust are a group to look at. My personal choice has been Elixir and that has worked out great. Lots of remote jobs too with it. A fellow made a post recently about how to find remote jobs in it https://blog.lelonek.me/how-to-find-an-elixir-job-db4c836890
yakshaving_jgt 27 mins
I intentionally didn’t suggest any, because I didn’t want this to turn into a language shootout, or for me to sound like a fanboy of the particular languages I prefer. It’s the same reason why I avoided levelling criticisms at PHP. And yes, I do think JavaScript has the same market supply issue.
If you haven’t done much other than PHP and JavaScript, I’d suggest going through the Seven Languages in Seven Weeks book, and also doing a bit of market analysis; see who’s hiring for which languages.
kyriakos 35 mins
Only if going for wordpress jobs anything else php related pay is comparable to other languages.
bernierocks 4 hrs
It's a numbers game. I used Craigslist last year to find freelance jobs. I talked to about 40 potential clients in a month. Out of those, 30 were a no from me right off the bat (wanted to hire cheap developers, etc) and out of the last 10, I was able to setup a contract with 2.
Here are two things that have helped me:
1) Answer the ad within an hour of it being posted. This may be tough if you have a full time job. My response rate when up 100% when I did this.
2) Give them your phone number and offer to talk on the phone. Email generally doesn't work that well to sell yourself, especially now with all of the low-wage competition.
3) get good at selling yourself. They need to know why they should hire you over a $5/hour developer from overseas. Some don't care and only want to pay peanuts.
Freelancer.com is horrible. I used it a few times and got a few potential clients..but most expect things like a turnkey Facebook clone for $100.
staticautomatic 3 hrs
Freelancer is also horrible on the client side fwiw.
erikig 2 hrs
TweetJobs was posted in HN the other day - https://tweetjobs.dev
A good portion of the jobs are freelance/remote and pretty up to date.
gabor_biro 1 hr
I've been using upwork.com for a few months now and I'm getting regular projects as a mobile developer. Interesting ones too, sometimes to patch up an existing project, sometimes to start a new one. It took roughly a month though until the first clients started responding to my applications. Create a sexy profile and be patient.
Stevvo 1 hr
gitcoin.co I made $15k+ on there pretty easily before boring of web development and moving on to other things. One advantage is nearly all of it will be open source and show on your github profile.
krn 1 hr
I made $15k+ on there pretty easily
How did that translate into the hourly rate in your case?
bilifuduo 1 hr
Been working on a project to help people find high-impact jobs tackling problems they care about (ie. climate change, healthcare, etc), and we'll have filters for part-time and remote when we launch next month: https://www.splashwithdolphin.com.
cameldrv 2 hrs
Show up to PHP meetups in your area if you're near a largish metro. Go for beers afterward, meet the people, mention what you are doing. Keep doing this and wait and you'll likely start getting work coming your way that has a completely different category of client than you'd see on some sort of marketplace.
DoreenMichele 2 hrs
I will suggest you could try putting information in your HN profile regarding what you can offer and what you looking for, plus participating on the first of the month in "Freelancer -- Seeking Freelancer" on this site.
I hear over and over that freelancers doing work they like with good conditions get most of their work via word of mouth. That seems to be about finding a few good clients and having an established relationship with them and them referring you to other people.
anon1094 4 hrs
Hey there, here are my suggestions for you:
Sign up to AngelList and search their jobs. Besides normal jobs, many startups looking for remote contract developers post there.
AngelList also lets you search by technology category, whether it's contract or not. I don't think they let you search if it's part time or not on the website.
Next, I would join Developer focused Slack channels. Some of these have #jobs channels that post positions from time to time.
Here's an article I wrote that lists some of those out: https://medium.com/hackernoon/developer-slack-channels-remot...
Finally, there are also Facebook Groups as well where some companies and individuals go in and post freelance jobs.
Again, an article I wrote that lists some good Facebook groups for remote work: https://medium.com/hackernoon/facebook-groups-remote-job-fre...
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I hope the above links help and let me know if you have any extra questions. Email in my bio. Happy to help!
xivzgrev 1 hr
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One typo I noticed: on pro page (https://remoteleads.io/upgrade), in 6x leads paragraph, "about" is misspelled
"That's abotu 10x less competition per lead according to our analytics."
chris5745 4 hrs
If other freelancers are messing up projects on those sites, I would see that as an opportunity to enter the market with a quality service, if the customer needs the quality. If it’s a race to the bottom and you want no part of it, you could start a side business selling something unrelated to programming.
gtirloni 2 hrs
I suggest you look at Toptal.
juskrey 1 hr
Humiliating machine disguised as a freelance platform
s1k3s 1 hr
I thought that too while looking over their "screening process", but now I'm really curious to see how hard it is to get in. Did you go through it?